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Disobedience through obedience

Disobedience through obedience exists in false religions. People that are deceived by false religions obey false doctrines with confidence. However, this uncertain obedience is called disobedience to the word of God because these individuals are obeying false doctrines that don't confirm with God's Word. Therefore, the title of this page called [disobedience through obedience]. It means these individuals are disobeying God's Word by obeying the word of a false god. How do we recognize the difference between the real God and the false god? We know them by their fruits, the false god commands his followers to act violently and to kill people for rejecting his false word. Actually, there is not false god or bad god. The false god is the devil that is deceiving people to act as God.

The people that been deceived with the devil created false religions and pretend having revelation by God to deceive people and to do their dirty works to achieve their political and personal objectives. The real God is capable to judge sinners according to his law without the need of human's help to judge sinners. The ungodly people that created the false religions always claiming that their god needs peopleís helps as an individual duties to judge sinners and kill them. These ungodly people that claim themselves prophets permit their followers to attack villages and cities and permit them to kill people and take their moneys, properties, jewelries, animals, and to exile them if necessary and to take their women for pleasure and slavery because they are sinners. Therefore, these false religions are flourishing rapidly because they are having a lot of funs and joys and wealth by converting well to evil, believing they are doing good deeds to their god. Actually, they are doing good deeds to the organizers of false religions because they are paying them religious taxes on their wages and on the goods that are looting from the people that are calling them sinners, [kafer or kufar].

Yes, it is true, the koran = (quran) commands the moslems = (muslims) to fight the unbelievers worldwide that don't believe in allah and his prophet mohamed reference Quran of Islam (sourat altawba 9:29), and in Quran (sourat altawba 9:5) commands to kill the unbelievers. According to this commandment, the moslems = (muslims) are obeying allah's commandment fully. Even this commandment contains violence; the moslems = (muslims) are more obedient to their god (allah) than the Jews and the Christians. I am NOT encouraging violence, I am debating obedience. However, does this kind of obedience consider faithful, yes, but to their book, not according to peaceful humanity. I would feel safer with peaceful people that worship idols, than with those that are faithful to their book and their god that commands to kill people. At least those that worship idols don't kill people.

 

Sharia law of Islam in the Quran and the Torah of Judaism don't agree with Jesus' commandments in the bible.

 

Jesus says: [You have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strikes thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other], Matthew 5:38 to 46 Jesus also said: [For if you will forgive men their offences, your heavenly Father will forgive you also your offences. But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences], Matthew 6:14 to 15.

We love people including sinners and those that hate us. Actually, we don't have enemies. We love those that hate us because Jesus loves them also. Jesus loves sinners, he wants them to repent. We love sinners because it is in our nature to love people, we love sinners, and we want to bring them to Jesus Christ to learn about God's peaceful Word and to learn how to love and to forgive and to live in harmony and peace with all mankind. We love people, righteous and sinners from various religions and nationalities, however, we are against sin and violence. Jesus says: [ I Jesus came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance, Matthew 9:13.]

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Let us read Jesus' Word and compare it with the doctrines of false religions.


 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you:
 45 That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who makes his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and rains upon the just and the unjust.
 46 For if you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? even the publicans do this?
 47 And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more? do not also the heathens do this?
 48 Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect, Matthew 5:44 to 48.
 

God shall judge sinners at the end of days, God doesn't need people to help Him to judge sinners. God uses His Law to judge sinners.

God's Law is in the Ark of the Covenant in His temple in heaven to judge people accordingly, not for decoration. Don't depend on eternal security to obtain ďsalvationĒ as some churches teach. You can't obtain salvation without obeying God's Law. Salvation is a status that shall be obtained after passing God's judgment. You can't be saved while you still under temptation on this planet earth. You can't be saved while you still under temptation on this planet earth. For more information about salvation, refer to page "Are we saved".

Read what John saw in his vision that was inspired by Jesus Christ: [The temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of His testament was seen in His temple, and there were lightning, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail, Revelation 11:19. ]

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God's Law and religions

 

Love your enemy is mentioned by Jesus, he said:  

 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you:
 45 That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who makes his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and rains upon the just and the unjust.
 46 For if you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? even the publicans do this?
 47 And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more? do not also the heathens do this?
 48 Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect,
Matthew 5:44 to 48.
 

However, let us read how religions treat each others.

 

Why Islam rejects Judaism, Christianity, and the western world?

Why the Jews reject Islam and Christianity, and why the Torah contains violent commandments?

Refer to page "Islamic and bible verses" and page "Ishmael and Isaac"

 

Why the Christian churches are welcoming all mankind from all religions including atheists?

Why all religions refuse Christianity, but Christianity accept them? In exception of the protestants that are killing the Catholics in Northern Island in the name of religions.

 

Do you recognize the violence of religions?

 

Why the orthodox Jews reject the Zionist Jews of Israel? Why the Jews are killing the Palestinians?

Why God Yahweh have permitted the Jews to kill "even relatives" and whosoever try to deceive them with strange gods? Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11

If Jesus spoke well of God's Law and Moses, who wrote the passage in (Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11) to kill people?

 

References from the Torah of Judaism Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11

 

 

Why the moslems = (muslims) are killing each other in Iraq, the Jews, and the western world in the name of allah? (koran = (quran) of Islam (sourat altawba 9:5), (sourat almaeda 5:33), (sourat albakara 2:193), (sourat mohamed 47:4).

Are the Jews, Christians, and the Muslims worshiping the same God? If they are worshipping the same God, why God of the Christians love his enemies, but Allah of the Muslims and God of the Jews seek revenge to fight the enemies? Why God of the Jews commands the Jews to fight the Canaanites, and why Allah of the Muslim Canaanites commands Muslims to fight Jews and Christians? Something is wrong.

 

We are righteous because it is in our nature. We become evil by killing people because we aren't following the right God.

In reality, there isn't other gods; there is one God, which is the Creator. The terrorists that are killing people are tempted by the devil.

How could we believe God commands us to fight or to kill people? Are we foolish?

 

Example: Do you believe a father would command his children to kill each other? Do you believe a master would command his servants to kill each other? It is the same thing with God. God would never ask His people to kill each other. How do you believe God commands you to kill people IF His commandment commands you NOT to kill? Think about it? We are under temptations. God doesnít need our HELP and to judge people, He is in control, not we. How can we help God if we can't even help ourselves, ignorant?

 

God's everlasting covenant with Abraham. 

God said to Abraham: [MY COVENANT SHALL BE IN YOUR FLESH FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT. Geneses 17:12 to 14]

God's Word reads: [18 Lay up these my words in your hearts and minds, and hang them for a sign on your hands, and place them between your eyes. 19 Teach your children that they meditate on them, when thou sit in thy house, and when thou walk on the way, end when thou lie down and rise up. 20 Thou shall write them upon the posts and the doors of thy house, Deuteronomy 11:18 to 19.] God Law is for all mankind, not for the Jews or islam only, Leviticus 24:22.

 

The Jews, Christians, and the moslems = (muslims) believe in Moses as God's prophet. However, the Christians don't obey God's Commandments that was spoken by Moses because they abolished God's Law through the false apostle Paul. The Jews believe in Moses and in the Torah. The righteous Christians = (Christ's followers) believe in Moses, Jesus, and in the right Torah.

The moslems = (muslims) believe in Moses as God's prophet. However, they don't obey God's Commandments that was spoken by Moses; because they have their doctrines (koran = (quran), which is 20 percent identical to the Torah. Their doctrines commands them to kill those don't worship allah, Quran (sourat altawba 9:5), and the (Al Ė mushrekeen) =Christians = (polytheist) = Trinitarians that believe God the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit, and the Jews that allah cursed and turned into pigs and apes. The word "mushrekeen" in the quran means "Christians". Therefore, the moslems = (muslims) reject the Christians and the Jews worldwide. For more information about Islam, refer to page "koran = (quran)".

The difference between the Torah and the (koran = (quran) is that the Torah commands to kill those that try to deceive the Jews by strange God, Torah verse number, (Deuteronomy 13:9 to 10). The Jews transgress God's Commandments by depraving the strangers to embrace Judaism, which contradicts God's Word in the same book.

 

The Torah doesn't prohibit the strangers to embrace Judaism. God Yahweh permits all mankind to worship Him and to obey His peaceful Law "the Torah", Leviticus 24:22. The violence that is in the Torah isn't of God's Word. Those violent passages were added to the Torah after Moses' era.

 

The (koran = (quran) encourages the people to embrace the religion of Islam and to learn the (koran = (quran). However, the koran = (quran) commands the believers to kill whosoever doesn't submit to allah and his prophet. I could be wrong, refer to page "Islamic and bible verses" to read the passages.

 

The koran = (quran)'s passage of Islam reads: [So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters anywhere you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely allah is Forgiving, Merciful, (koran = (quran) of Islam (sourat altawba 9:5)

The moslems = (muslims) claim that the religion of Islam is the most peaceful religion. Therefore, I don't believe allah would command his people to kill, crucify, cut hands, and feet of those that are against him and his prophet. The God that Jesus spoke of is Love and Peaceful also. If Islam is peaceful and the God that Jesus spoke of is peaceful also, why there are violent commandments in the koran = (quran) and in the Torah. However, Jesus' gospel doesn't contain any violent. Did Jesus spoke about different law of different torah, and did allah spoke different commandments?

Are the Jews, Christians, and the moslems = (muslims) worshipping the same God? Is allah the same God of the Christians and the Jews?

If allah is the same God that Jesus spoke of, why allah commands his people to kill the Jews and the Christians, and non-moslems = (muslims), and to act violently? If God of the Torah is the same God that Jesus spoke of why the violent commandments exist in the Torah and not in Jesus' gospel? Did Jesus spoke about different Torah and different God?

The koran = (quran)'s passage reads: The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, (koran = (quran) of Islam (sourat almaeda 5:33).

 

[Note: Al Ė mushrekeen are the Christians]. Even those commandments are considered violent, at least, the moslems = (muslims) obey their doctrines; other religions don't. The difference between both religions is that the (koran = (quran) allows the people to embrace the religion of Islam "allah". However, the Jews are depraving the people to embrace Judaism and to learn the Torah. The Jews believe that their God Yahweh and their Torah are for them only. Some christian churches as the protestant churches in Northern Island kill and reject other christian denominations; they believe that they are the only true christians. The Catholic Church welcomes all religions of all backgrounds. Concerning obedient, none of the Jews, protestant, and catholic obey God's Law the Torah. God wants obedience not violence. The seventh Day Adventist Church obeys Godís Ten Commandments and part of the ceremonial law.

 

I obey the authentic peaceful Torah and I believe in Jesus Christ. I love all the people from all backgrounds including Jews, moslems = (muslims), and Christians. However, I dislike sin and violence.

Yes, it is true, the koran = (quran) commands the moslems = (muslims) to fight the unbelievers worldwide that don't believe in allah and his prophet mohamed reference Quran of Islam (sourat altawba 9:29), and in Quran (sourat altawba 9:5) commands to kill the unbelievers. According to this commandment, the moslems = (muslims) are obeying allah's commandment fully. Even this commandment contains violence; the moslems = (muslims) are more obedient to their god (allah) than the Jews and the Christians. I am NOT encouraging violence, I am debating obedience.

However, does this kind of obedience consider faithful, yes, but to their book, not according to peaceful humanity. I would feel safer with peaceful people that worship idols, than with those that are faithful to their book and their god that commands to kill people. At least those that worship idols don't kill people.

The koran = (quran) permits all mankind to embrace islam and to worship allah. The Jews deprave the non-Jews to obey the Torah and to worship God Yahweh. The Christians are disgracing God by disobeying His Law in "the original Torah" through the false apostle Paul. Did God announce those violent commandments in the Torah? God has nothing to do with these violent commandments, God is love, He commands us to love, and prohibits us to kill.

The Jews believe God is God of the Jews and God of Israel only. The Christians love God and obey Paul's theology instead God Yahweh. God Yahweh is God of all mankind; not the God of the Jews and the muslims only.

For more information about the violent passages that are in the Torah, refer to page "Ishmael and Isaac".

The koran = (quran) commands the moslems = (muslims) to fight sinners and those that don't believe in allah. koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors, (sourat albakara 2:193).]

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [Fighting is enjoined = (requested) on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and allah knows, while you do not know, (sourat albakara 2:216).]
 

koran = (quran) of Islam reads, allah says: [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.[47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
[47.6] And cause them to enter the garden
= [paradise = Janah of allah] which He has made known to them. (sourat mohamed 47:4 to 6)]

 

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and allah will inform them of what they did, (sourat almaeda 5:14).]

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, (sourat almaeda 5:33)]

 koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [O followers of the Book = (Torah bible old and new testaments)! [you are nothing] you follow no good to keep up the Taurat = (Torah) and the A-njel = (Gospel) = (new testaments) and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the blaspheme people, (sourat almaeda 5:68 to 75),

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn (them) from allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in allah's way, announce to them a painful chastisement,
[35] On the day when it shall be heated in the fire of hell, then their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded with it; this is what you hoarded up for yourselves, therefore taste what you hoarded,
(sourat altawba 9:34 to 35)]

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [And whoever does not believe in allah and his apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers, (sourat alfatih 48:13),

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists = (Moushrekeen) = (Christians) = (Trinitarians) shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men, (sourat albaynet 98:6).]

koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He = (allah) then chastise you for your faults? (sourat almaada 5:18).]

I am not affirming Islam is better religion than Christianity. I am debating obedience, and the violence of religions in this text.

Debating the violent commandments is another subject; God judges sinners, not you.

The koran = (quran) prohibits moslems = (muslims) to be friend with Jews and Christians because both are related.

The koran = (quran)'s passage reads: [O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely allah does not guide the unjust people. koran = (quran) (sourat almaida 5:51)]

The koran = (quran) call the Jews "donkey carrying doctrines", because they were told to carry the Torah but they lied through Godís scriptures. The koran = (quran)'s passage reads: [The likeness of those who were charged with the Taurat = (Torah), then they did not observe it as an ass = (donkey) bearing misery books in likeness of the people who reject the communications of allah; and allah does not guide the unjust people, (sourat aljoumaa 62:5).]

 

The Torah also commands the Hebrews to kill the Canaanites to overcome their lands, and those that try to deceive them to worship strange gods. But the Torah doesn't commands the Jews to force people to embrace Judaism. HOWEVER, the Quran commands muslims to force people to convert to Islam or death.

References from the Quran of Islam (sourat altawba 9:5) and  (sourat altawba 9:29)

References from the Torah of Judaism Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11

 

 

The Torah commands the people to kill in the name of God also, Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 17:5 to 7, Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11, Deuteronomy 21:20 to 23, Deuteronomy 22:20 to 24, Numbers 14:8 to 10, Numbers 15:32 to 36, Numbers 35:16 to 17. The Torah passage reads: [6 If thy brother the son of thy mother, or thy son, or daughter, or thy wife that is in thy bosom, or thy friend, whom thou love as thy own soul, would persuade thee secretly, saying: Let us go, and serve strange gods, which thou knowest not, nor thy fathers, 7 Of all the nations round about, that are near or afar off, from one end of the earth to the other, 8 Consent not to him, hear him not, neither let thy eye spare him to pity and conceal him, 9 But thou shalt presently put him to death. It Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people. 10 With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage: 11 That all Israel hearing may fear, and may do no more any thing like this, Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11. ]

Are we worshipping a peaceful God? How do we know we are worshipping the right God, the Creator?

 

If our religion commands us to kill those that are in other religions; and the other religions command their followers to kill people from our religion, WHO IS SERVING THE RIGHT GOD IN THOSE RELIGIONS? No one, I don't believe God commands the people to kill each other. Religions don't exist in God's Kingdom. Our relation is with the peaceful God, not with religion. Any religion or religious person, or any prophet issues violent commandments to kill people in the name of God; the religion, the religious person, and the prophet are false.

God Yahweh is for all mankind, not for the Jews, the moslems = (muslims), and the Christians. I was rejected in America and in Canada by the Jews to learn the Torah and even to enter into the synagogue to worship God, [because I am not Jewish]. I had visited many protestant churches; [including pentecostal churches] I was getting lessons by pastors to abolish God's Law and to hate other Christians that arenít protestants. They gave me two choices, get baptism by their pastors, or leave the church. The Mormon church prohibited me to take the Lordís Supper because I am Catholic. They believe that the Catholic Church isnít a Christian Church and isnít entitled to baptize people. This kind of teaching is evil. I am not declaring that the moslems = (muslims) are better Judaism and Christianity, no one is perfect; God is. OBEY GOD'S PEACEFUL LAW and stay away from violence. God is in control, not YOU.

 

For more information about God's commandments concerning the strangers and the chosen, refer to page "Strangers and the Chosen people"  and  "Chosen people".

We can't blame the moslems = (muslims) for "jihad" killing the unbelievers and their enemies in this world. They are obeying their god = (allah) word; it is written in their doctrines, refer to page "Islamic and bible verses". Moses and Joshua = (Josue) killed millions of people to overcome the lands of Canaan = (Chanaan) to establish the Promised Land Israel. Moses and Joshua = (Josue) didn't force or kill for religion and for faithfulness' sake.

According to some violent commandments that are in the Torah, Moses and Joshua = (Josue) killed those that tried to deceive the chosen people through strange gods. It is written in the Torah verse number, (Deuteronomy 13:9 to10). God is capable to destroy the flesh and the spirit; He doesn't need human to kill for Him. God commands us to obey His Law to have safe world, not to kill each other.

[Note: Why there are peaceful and violent commandments in the Torah? For more information, refer to page "Ishmael and Isaac".]

God doesn't force anyone to obey Him; He permits the people to choose between good and evil. The Jews deprave the strangers to learn the Torah and embrace Judaism. However, God permits the strangers to obey His Law "the Torah", to repent, and to offer sacrifices, (Leviticus 24:22) (Isaiah 45:22), It means the Jews don't obey God's Word. However, the religion of Islam is struggling to convert sinners and unbelievers to obey their god's = (allah) law of the koran = (quran). However, both religions don't agree that their God is the same God. I believe God is one. There is no other gods but God Yahweh. Christianity achieved to abolish God' Law, and the protestant are killing the catholic for personnel objectives. [Note: Isaiah = (Isaias) = (Yesha'yahu)]

Many of God's prophets in the bible sinned and killed. Therefore, we can't blame one group or one religion only; we don't know who is right and who is wrong. No one is perfect. There is no difference between killing for the land and killing to cleanse the world from the unbelievers. Both acts are not peaceful. We can't act as God; God is the judge and He is in control, not religion.

If God prohibits us to kill, why He commands us to kill in His name?

allah's word in the koran = (quran) of Islam: don't kill the soul, (sourat alinaam 6:151). Don't kill your people, (sourat alnisa 4:29). And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.
 (sourat alnisaa 4:93). And do not kill any one whom allah has forbidden, (sourat alisra 17.33). Killing human is blaspheming, (sourat abas 80:17).

God's Word in the Torah: YOU SHALL NOT KILL, Exodus 20:13.

God Word in the Torah YOU SHALL HAVE ONE MANNER OF LAW AS WELL FOR THE STRANGER AS FOR ONE OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY, FOR I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, Leviticus 24:22.

God Word in the Torah: If a stranger DWELLS in your land shall BE AS ONE BORN AMONG YOU and you shall LOVE HIM as yourself because you were a stranger in Egypt, Leviticus 19:34.

God Word: Be converted to me, and you shall be saved, all ye ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:22,

For more information, refer to page "Chosen Peopleor "Strangers / Chosen people".

To read about God's prophets' errors, refer to page "Prophets and apostles sinned against God", and page "Crimes in the name of God".

Jesus did obey the right Torah, why don't you? Christianity isn't a religion, the Christians must return to their roots, obey the right Torah. Pauline church = (Paul's church), isn't Jesus Christ's Church.

For more information, refer to page "Ishmael and Isaac", page "God", page "Torah", page "Torah Mitzvot", page "Torah and Jesus; gospel", page "Crimes in the name of God", page "Jesus and Moses", for Paul's church, refer to page "False apostles".