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Jesus & Moses: Jesus obeyed God's Law through Moses, why don't you?
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1 - Introduction
2 - Moses and Elijah = (Elias) appeared to Jesus
3 - What Jesus said about Moses?
4 - Did Jesus abolish or add to God's Law"? Did Moses transgress or add other laws to God's Law?
5 - Eye for eye:
6 - Circumcision in the Torah and in Jesus' history: Jews aobliged people to get circumcision in Jerusalem in 45 AD
God's covenant is between Him and men, not with women.
Did God command for second circumcision?
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Circumcision, Christians are forced, refer to page Christians are forced to get circumcision
Circumcision in religions, refer to page Circumcision and religions
Circumcision's, refer to page Women / female circumcisions according to other religions
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The Torah is God's Precious Word, the peaceful passages of the Torah, not the violent ones. The Torah contains violent passages that demand the Hebrew people to kill the Canaanites to take their lands. Some passages in the Torah command the Hebrew people = children of Israel = Jews to kill those persuades them to worship strange god. For sure, Jesus didn't obey such violent commandments; Jesus spoke about the peaceful Word of God. Did Jesus see the violent passages? Biblically is not mentioned in the bible, but the bible tells us that Jesus attacked the Pharisees for taken Moses place and changing the God's law through their traditions.
Read the following passage from the book of Matthew concerning Jesus' accusation to the scribes and the Pharisees changing the Law.
Jesus said to the scribes and
Pharisees : Why do you also
transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:]
Matthew 15:3[Jesus said: The scribes and the Pharisees have
sited on the chair of Moses].
Matthew 23:2.
[Jesus said to the Pharisees: Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that
you are the sons of them that killed the prophets].
Matthew 23:31.
For more information about the Pharisees, refer to Page "Pharisees"
God’s peaceful Law achieves Love, unity, and peace; religions and violent doctrines cause divisions and wars
God's peaceful Law is obedience, not religion
Obey God's peaceful Law, not religion
Why the Torah and other religious books contain violent commandments? Should we obey them?
Jesus spoke peacefully about the Torah, why the Torah contains violent commandments to kill people?
God prohibits killing in His Ten Commandments, why Allah in the quran commands the muslims to fight those that don't believe in allah & Mohammed?
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2 - Moses and Elijah = (Elias) appeared to Jesus
The appearance of Moses and Elijah = (Elias) to Jesus is the association's evidence between Jesus' history and the Torah. There is one Torah and one God in this world. The New Testaments is false name for Jesus' history = (Gospel). The name "New Testaments" means "new law" or "new covenant" that replaces God's perpetual Law the Torah. The name "New Testaments" is wrong because God shall make new covenant after the end of this world.
Jesus didn't perform religion, he commanded the people to obey God's Law the Torah. Jesus prohibited removing even one jot of God's Law till heaven and earth disappear, Matthew 5:17 to 19. It means till the end of this world. Then, God shall make new heaven and new earth and evidently with new covenant, (Jeremiah 31:33 to 36), (Isaiah 65:17 to 25), (Isaiah 2:6 to 13), (Revelation 21:1 to 27). Till the end of this world, the people must obey God's Law the Torah in full. (Note: Jeremiah is (Jeremias)
For more information about God's Law, refer to Page "Are we saved" and "false apostles" and "Jesus' death" and "Law"
The passage reads:
1 And after six days Jesus = (Yeshua) taketh unto him Peter and James, and John his brother, and bring them up into a high mountain apart:
2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow.
3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias = (Elijah) talking with him.
4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus = (Yeshua) : Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias = (Elijah).
5 And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him.
6 And the disciples hearing, fell upon their face, and were very much afraid.
7 And Jesus = (Yeshua) came and touched them: and said to them, Arise, and fear not.
8 And they lifting up their eyes saw no one but only Jesus = (Yeshua) .
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus = (Yeshua) charged them, saying: Tell the vision to no man, till the Son of man be risen from the dead.
10 And his disciples asked him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elias = (Elijah) must come first?
11 But he answering, said to them: Elias = (Elijah) indeed shall come, and restore all things.
12 But I say to you, that Elias = (Elijah) is already come, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of man shall suffer from them.
13 Then, the disciples understood, that he had spoken to them of John the Baptist, Matthew 17:1 to 13.
For more information about Moses and Elijah, refer to page "Elijah and Moses"
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3 - What Jesus said about Moses in the Gospel?
If the following scriptures are not enough evidence that Jesus commanded us to obey God's Law that was announced by Moses; you must pray to God to remove the curse of delusion from you. Don't be deceived by false preachers, priests, and pastors that teach according to the false apostle Paul. Obey God's Law and follow Jesus Christ.
Jesus spoke about Moses in his history = (Gospel). There is no evidence in the bible where Jesus denies Moses and God's Law.
Matthew 5:17 to 19, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (I came not to destroy the law and the prophets)
Matthew 8:4, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Offer the gift that Moses commanded for a testimony unto them)
Matthew 19:8, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Moses did allow you for divorce for the hardness of your hearts)
Mark 1:44, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Offer those things that Moses commanded)
Mark 7:10, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (For Moses said honor your father and mother)
Mark 10:3, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (What did Moses commanded you, is because of the hardness of your hearts)
Mark 12:26, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Have you not read the BOOK OF MOSES, God said: I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB.)
John 3:14, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up.)
John 5:45, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father, there is one that accuses you is Moses in whom you trust.)
John 5:46, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (For had you believe Moses you would have believe me, FOR HE WROTE OF ME.)
John 6:32, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Moses gave not the bread from heaven but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.)
John 7:19, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (DID NOT MOSES GAVE YOU THE LAW, and NONE of YOU keeps the law, why you are trying to kill me.)
The book of Luke was written by Paul, I don't about the accuracy of this book. However, it mentions about Moses and God's Law.
Luke 5:14, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Go offer for your cleansing, ACCORDING as Moses COMMANDED.)
Luke 16:29, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (They have Moses and the prophets let them hear them.)
Luke 16:31, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (If they hear not Moses and the prophets they would not be persuade by someone that rose from the dead.)
Luke 20:37, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (When Moses called the lord God is God of Abraham and Jacob and Isaac.)
Luke 24:44, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (These are the words which I spoke into you while I was yet with you that ALL THINGS MUST BE fulfilled, which were written in the LAW OF MOSES and in the prophets and in the Psalms concerning me.)
[Note: God the creator is the God of all mankind; He isn't God of Abraham; Isaac; and Jacob only. This passage indicates that God created this world for Abraham's, Isaac's, and Jacob's descendants only.]
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4 - Did Jesus abolish or add to God's Law"? Did Moses transgress or add other laws to God's Law?
Jesus didn't add or abolish anything from God's Law. Jesus clarifies God's Law. They asked Jesus about divorce, Jesus said to them: 8 Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, commits adultery, Matthew 19:8 to 9. In this passage, Jesus explained that from the beginning, God didn't allow divorce, but because of the hardness of their heart, Moses allowed them to divorce. It means that Jesus didn't add to God's Law. However, it is the time to follow God's Law in full. Jesus didn't violate the Sabbath day, he explained to them that they could help people and they may do emergency works only.
Did Moses act on his own without asking God concerning the divorce's law? It is possible that God allowed Moses to issue oral law on his own.
I don't think Moses would command without God’s permission. However, it is possible because he transgressed God once before.
Moses and his brother trespassed God, it reads: 11 And when Moses had lifted up his hand, and struck the rook twice with the rod, there came forth water in great abundance, so that the people and their cattle drank, 12 And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: Because you have not believed me, to sanctify me before the children of Israel, you shall not bring these people into the land, which I will give them. 13 This is the Water of contradiction, where the children of Israel strove with words against the Lord, and he was sanctified in them, Numbers 20:11 to 13.
Therefore, God didn't allow Moses to lead the chosen people to the Promised Land Israel. If Moses did transgress God by making Laws on his own, it means that the killings commandments in the name of God were not God's commandments. I am not saying that the Torah is wrong; I am saying it according to Moses' transgression. I could backup Moses' transgression when he didn't believe that he could bring forth waters from the rock in God's name. However, I couldn't prove the killings commandments if they are from Moses or from God. The Torah says that Moses commanded the people to kill in the name of God.
Moses transgressed God; however, God forgave him because He permitted him to appear to Jesus.
For more information about the prophets' errors, refer to page "Prophets and apostles sinned also" or page "False apostles".
Killing in the name of God: "refer to" Crimes in the name of God Did Moses transgress or add other laws to God's Law?
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Jesus says: eye for eye is not in God's Law, he said: [it says], he didn't say: [it is in the Law]. It reads: 38 You have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strikes thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other, Matthew 5:38 to 39.
Eye for eye is not in the Law, on the contrary, Moses commanded them to seek not revenge.
(God's Word through Moses): Moses said: 17 Thou shall not hate thy brother in thy heart, but reprove him openly, lest thou incur sin through him. 18 Seek not revenge, nor be mindful of the injury of thy citizens. Thou shall love thy friend as thyself. I am the Lord, Leviticus 19:17 to 18.
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6 - Circumcision in the Torah and in Jesus' history:
Circumcision in the Torah
Jews obliged visitors or tourists to get circumcision when they pass through Jerusalem in 45 AD according to the book of Acts.
During 45 AD, the Jews in Jerusalem obliged the people to get circumcision in according to pass through or to visit Jerusalem, The passage in the book of Acts reads: [3 Him Paul would have to go along with him: and taking Timotheus he circumcised him, because of the Jews who were in those places. For they all knew that his father was a Gentile. 4 And as they passed through the cities, they delivered unto them the decrees for to keep, that were decreed by the apostles and the elders who were at Jerusalem. 5 And the churches were confirmed in faith, and increased in number daily,] Acts 16:3 to 5.
God said to Abraham:
9 Again God said to Abraham: And thou therefore shall keep my covenant, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant which you shall observe, between me and you, and thy seed after thee: All the male kind of you shall be circumcised: 11 And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a h sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock: 13 And my covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant. 14 The male, whose dash of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he hath broken my covenant, Genesis 17:9 to 14.
God's covenant is between Him and men, and not with women.
God excluded women because He didn't say anything about women when he spoke to Abraham. However, some religion circumcised women, not to issue a covenant with God; it is a culture and ignorant belief. Some religion in the Middle East cut the clitoris of the females to prevent women from getting orgasms, which permits man to prolong his sexual intercross with his partner. If woman reached orgasm before man, she becomes sensitive and must stop before man finishes his practice. Therefore, they cut women clitoris to avoid woman sensitivity, which depraves women from getting orgasm. They believe that women are not permitted to have pleasure.
God said that the sign of His covenant is by circumcising the men. God issued his covenant between Him and the males, He didn't issue a covenant with women.
Did God command second circumcision?
God commanded Joshua to circumcise the Hebrew males another time. It is not explainable why the males must be circumcised two times. Weren’t they circumcised properly? The following passage contains many translation errors. The passage reads: 2 At that time the Lord said to Josue = (Joshua): Make thee knives of stone, and circumcise the second time the children of Israel.
[Note: other translations as the bible society of Lebanon doesn't indicate the word "the second time". It makes a big difference, it is not logic to circumcise the male two times. However, it clarifies it in verse 6, it says that those people that were born in the wilderness on the way to the Promised Land were not circumcised. Note ends.]
3 He did what the Lord had commanded, and he circumcised the children of Israel in the hill of the foreskins.
[Note: other translation as the bible Society of Lebanon says: "he circumcised the children of Israel at (Gabaa Haarlote) or (Gibeah Haarlote)" instead the word (in the hill of the foreskins). Note ends]
4 Now this is the cause of the second circumcision: All the people that came out of Egypt that were males, all the men fit for war, died in the desert, during the time of the long going about in the way. 5 Now these were all circumcised. But the people that were born in the desert, 6 Luring the forty years of the journey in the wide wilderness, were uncircumcised: till all they were consumed that had not heard the voice of the Lord, and to whom he had sworn before, that he would not show them the land flowing with milk and honey. 7 The children of these succeeded in the place of their fathers, and were circumcised by Josue = (Joshua): for they were uncircumcised even as they were born, and no one had circumcised them in the way. 8 Now after they were all circumcised, they remained in the same place of the camp, until they were healed. 9 And the Lord said to Josue = (Joshua): This day have I taken away from you the reproach of Egypt. And the name of that place was called Galgal = (Gilgal), until this present day. [Note: the word Gilgal or Galgal is commonly used as Galila, Gilgala, Galgala, Galil, or "Galilee" where the Lord Jesus = (Yeshua) Christ came from Nazareth of Galilee. In this verse the word Gilgal means sovereign = sovereignty or liberation. Note ends.]
10 And the children of Israel abode in Galgal = (Gilgal), and they kept the phase on the fourteenth day of the month, at evening, in the plains of Jericho: 11 And they ate on the next day unleavened bread of the corn of the land, and frumenty of the same year. 12 And the manna ceased after they ate of the corn of the land, neither did the children of Israel use that food any more, but they ate of the corn of the present year of the land of Chanaan = (Canaan). 13 And when Josue = (Joshua) was in the field of the city of Jericho, he lifted up his eyes, and saw a man standing over against him: holding a drawn sword, and he went to him, and said: Art thou one of ours, or of our adversaries? 14 And he answered: No: but I am prince of the host of the Lord, and now I am come. 15 Josue = (Joshua) fell on his face to the ground. And worshipping, add: What says my lord to his servant? 16 Loose, says he, thy shoes from off thy feet: for the place whereon thou stand is holy. And Josue = (Joshua) did as was commanded him, Joshua 5:2 to 16.
[Note: in the king James bible the word Gabaa = (Gibeah) in Joshua 10:26 and in Joshua 7:1 is written as “Hill” instead Gabaa = (Gibeah). “Gabaath” is mentioned in (Joshua 18:28), (Joshua 24:33), First Chronicles 11:31, First Chronicles 12:3, and in Isaiah 10:29. moslem = (muslim) worshipping place in Saudi Arabia called “Kabaa = [Kaaba]” “Al Kabaa” or “Gaaba” also. For more information about Gabaa = (Gibeah), refer to page "Ark of the Covenant" and page “Giants” to read about the "Amalekites" "Amalekite" "Amalecites" "Amalecite" "Amalek" Amalec".]
Arapha is located 15 kilometers east of (Mecca) = (Maka) = (Meca) where the moslems = (muslims) worship and ask allah for forgiveness.
For more information about the Arafa and the giants, refer to page Giants.
[Note: the word Rapha, Raphaim, Rephaim, Arapha, or Arafa, means giant
[Note: the word Jesbibenob = (Ishbibenob) is of the giants, and Arapha = (Arafa) means giant also.]
[Note: the word Amalecites = (Amalekites) means giants, Amalec = (Amalek) is giant. Amalecite = (Amalekite), "Nephilim" means giant also. Note ends]
Circumcision in Jesus' gospel
Jesus was circumcised on the eight day of his birth. The passage reads:
21 And after eight days were accomplished, that the child should be circumcised, his name was called Jesus = (Yeshua), which was called by the angel, before he was conceived in the womb. 22 And after the days of her purification, according to the Law of Moses, were accomplished, they carried him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord: 23 As it is written in the law of the Lord: Every male opening the womb shall be called holy to the Lord: 24 And to offer a sacrifice, according as it is written in the law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons: Luke 2:21 to 24.
The book of Luke is the only book in the gospel that wrote about Jesus' circumcision. I don't know why this event wasn't mentioned in other books in the bible. It is obvious that this event happened becuase Jesus and his parents obeyed the Torah. The bible indicate that Jesus preached about God's Law "Torah" and how Jesus celebrated Passover with his disciples. The gospel indicates how Jesus' parents found Jesus when they lost him during Passover in the temple after three days. The passage reads: 46 And it came to pass, that, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his wisdom and his answers. 48 And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? "did you not know, that I must be about my father's business"? 50 And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them, Luke 2:46 to 49.
[Note: Other translations say: "And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be in father's house"]
Jesus spoke about Moses in his Gospel. There is no evidence in the bible where Jesus denies Moses and God's Law. Therefore, the christians must obey God's Law the Torah's law in full. Paul is false apostle; any Christian that follows Paul's teaching is not Christian. This person shall be judge according to God's Law.
Did Jesus = (Yeshua) permit the people to abolish God’s law? NO. Jesus = (Yeshua) said: till heaven and earth disappear no one could remove one jot of the Law, Matthew 5:17.
God said to Abraham: MY COVENANT SHALL BE IN YOUR FLESH FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT, Geneses 17:12 to 14.
God's Word says: 18 Lay up these my words in your hearts and minds, and hang them for a sign on your hands, and place them between your eyes. 19 Teach your children that they meditate on them, when thou sit in thy house, and when thou walk on the way, end when thou lie down and rise up. 20 Thou shall write them upon the posts and the doors of thy house, Deuteronomy 11:18 to 19. God Law is for all the people, not for the Jews only, Leviticus 24:22.
Jesus = (Yeshua) spoke about circumcision, He said: circumcision is of the fathers and not of Moses. We know that God commanded Abraham to circumcise his descendant, the slaves, the strangers, and including himself. Abraham existed before Moses; therefore, the circumcision's commandment came from God to Abraham. Then, Abraham the father commanded this law.
The circumcision is God's commandment; therefore, Jesus said: The circumcision is of the father and not of Moses.
It reads: THE CIRCUMCISING IS OF THE FATHERS AND IT IS NOT OF MOSES, John 7:22.
Jesus = (Yeshua) spoke about the covenant that God made with father Abraham. Jesus didn't deny this covenant; therefore, we should obey it fully.
Paul denied the covenant of the circumcision. Paul is not of Jesus' = (Yeshua) disciples. Paul claimed that the heart must be circumcised. It is normal, in obeying God’s Law we become circumcised in the heart. However, God announced His Law concerning the circumcision and therefore, we must obey it. Even if we are circumcised in the hearts, the males must obey God’s Law and get circumcised. Paul is wrong.
The following scriptures explain that the circumcision's Law is from God to the fathers (Abraham) and not from Moses.
John 7:22, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (Moses gave you the law of circumcision NOT BECAUSE OF MOSES, but FROM THE FATHERS. And on the Sabbath day you circumcise a man.)
John 7:23, Jesus = (Yeshua) said: (If a man receive circumcision on the Sabbath day for THE LAW OF MOSES should NOT be broken, are you angry at me because I made a man every whit whole on the Sabbath day.)
Revelation 15:3, John saw in his vision seven angels singing in heaven the song of Moses. It reads: They were singing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the LAMB.
The circumcision's law is from God and not from Moses. Therefore, the circumcision's law is not abolished.
For more information about God's Law in Jesus' gospel, refer to Page "Are we saved" and "false apostles" and "Jesus' death" and "Law"
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Why Islam rejects Judaism, Christianity, and the western world?
Why the Jews reject Islam and Christianity, and why the Torah contains violent commandments?
Refer to page "Islamic and bible verses" and page "Ishmael and Isaac"
Why the Christian churches are welcoming all mankind from all religions including atheists?
Why all religions refuse Christianity, but Christianity accept them? In exception of the protestants that are killing the Catholics in Northern Island in the name of religions.
Do you recognize the violence of religions?
Why the orthodox Jews reject the Zionist Jews of Israel? Why the Jews are killing the Palestinians?
Why God Yahweh have permitted the Jews to kill "even relatives" and whosoever try to deceive them with strange gods?
Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11If Jesus spoke well of God's Law and Moses, who wrote the passage in (Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11) to kill people?
Why
the moslems = (muslims) are killing each other in Iraq, the Jews, and the western world in the name of allah? (koran = (quran) of Islam (sourat altawba 9:5), (sourat almaeda 5:33), (sourat albakara 2:193), (sourat mohamed 47:4).Are the Jews, Christians, and the Muslims worshiping the same God? If they are worshipping the same God, why God of the Christians love his enemies, but Allah of the Muslims and God of the Jews seek revenge to fight the enemies? Why God of the Jews commands the Jews to fight the Canaanites, and why Allah of the Muslim Canaanites commands Muslims to fight Jews and Christians? Something is wrong.
We are righteous because it is in our nature. We become evil by killing people because we aren't following the right God. In reality, there isn't other gods; there is one God, which is the Creator. The terrorists that are killing people are tempted by the devil.
How could we believe God commands us to fight or to kill people? Are we foolish?
Example: Do you believe a father would command his children to kill each other? Do you believe a master would command his servants to kill each other? It is the same thing with God. God would never ask His people to kill each other. How do you believe God commands you to kill people IF His commandment commands you NOT to kill? Think about it? We are under temptations. God doesn’t need our HELP and to judge people, He is in control, not we. How can we help God if we can't even help ourselves, ignorant?
God's everlasting covenant with Abraham.
God said to Abraham: [MY COVENANT SHALL BE IN YOUR FLESH FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT. Geneses 17:12 to 14]
God's Word reads: [18 Lay up these my words in your hearts and minds, and hang them for a sign on your hands, and place them between your eyes. 19 Teach your children that they meditate on them, when thou sit in thy house, and when thou walk on the way, end when thou lie down and rise up. 20 Thou shall write them upon the posts and the doors of thy house, Deuteronomy 11:18 to 19.] God Law is for all mankind, not for the Jews or islam only, Leviticus 24:22.
The Jews, Christians, and the moslems = (muslims) believe in Moses as God's prophet. However, the Christians don't obey God's Commandments that was spoken by Moses because they abolished God's Law through the false apostle Paul. The Jews believe in Moses and in the Torah. The righteous Christians = (Christ's followers) believe in Moses, Jesus, and in the right Torah.
The moslems = (muslims) believe in Moses as God's prophet. However, they don't obey God's Commandments that was spoken by Moses; because they have their doctrines (koran = (quran), which is 20 percent identical to the Torah. Their doctrines commands them to kill those don't worship allah, Quran (sourat altawba 9:5), and the (Al – mushrekeen) =Christians = (polytheist) = Trinitarians that believe God the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit, and the Jews that allah cursed and turned into pigs and apes. The word "mushrekeen" in the quran means "Christians". Therefore, the moslems = (muslims) reject the Christians and the Jews worldwide. For more information about Islam, refer to page "koran = (quran)".
The difference between the Torah and the (koran = (quran) is that the Torah commands to kill those that try to deceive the Jews by strange God, Torah verse number, (Deuteronomy 13:9 to 10). The Jews transgress God's Commandments by depraving the strangers to embrace Judaism, which contradicts God's Word in the same book.
The Torah doesn't prohibit the strangers to embrace Judaism. God Yahweh permits all mankind to worship Him and to obey His peaceful Law "the Torah", Leviticus 24:22.
The violence that is in the Torah isn't of God's Word. Those violent passages were added to the Torah after Moses' era.
The (koran = (quran) encourages the people to embrace the religion of Islam and to learn the (koran = (quran). However, the koran = (quran) commands the believers to kill whosoever doesn't submit to allah and his prophet. I could be wrong, refer to page "Islamic and bible verses" to read the passages.
The koran = (quran)'s passage of Islam reads: [So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters anywhere you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely allah is Forgiving, Merciful, (koran = (quran) of Islam (sourat altawba 9:5)
Why Islam rejects Judaism, Christianity, and the western world? Why Judaism rejects other religions, and why the Torah contains violent commandment?
As a Christian, that follows God and Christ Jesus, not religions; I devoted my life to love and to help mankind disregard their religions and backgrounds. I dwelt in moslem = (muslim) area in the Middle East, which helped me to accept moslems = (muslims) as best friends with good relationships. My five Christian cousins, "two males, and three females" got married with moslems = (muslims). My good relation with my moslem = (muslim) friends encourages me to read the koran = (quran) to know about God’s Word that my moslem = (muslim) neighbors spoke of. I believed God has sent His Word to us through Jesus for the Christians and through mohamed for the moslems = (muslims). I believed that there isn't a difference between the moslems = (muslims), Jews, and the Christians. I even wanted to go to the mosque to pray, but I didn't have the chance to go with my friends, and I was going to marry a moslem = (muslim) girl that I love very much. She told me that her parents wouldn’t let her marry me because I am Christian. Before I did read the koran = (quran), I had feeling that God's Word shall be the same as the bible. I didn't have any doubt to read the koran = (quran) because I believed that the koran = (quran) is the Word of God as well. I was very happy when one of my moslem = (muslim) friends agreed to give me the koran = (quran). After I have received the koran = (quran), I gave my friend the bible also. We were very happy and agreed with these gifts.
However, I noticed that my friend wrote a word on the first page of the koran = (quran); it reads: [No one touch it except the "altaherine"]. The word "altaherine" means "pure" or "sinless". This word left a question mark in my mind. Did my friend write this word because he gave the koran = (quran) to a Christian?
If he really did, it is because he wanted to protect his Allah's Word from defiled people as the Christians. I accepted his way of protection for his allah’s Word. The reason that encourages me to read the koran = (quran) is because the moslems = (muslims) obey the word of allah in the koran = (quran) fully. I was sure that the koran = (quran) would help me to understand God's Word as well as Jesus' gospel and would guide me peacefully. I did read the koran = (quran) from cover to cover. I enjoyed reading allah's peaceful passages but I was confused reading some of his passages that contradict his peaceful commandments. I asked my moslem = (muslim) friends about those passages that I thought that they are violent. My moslem = (muslim) friend told me that I have to read the koran = (quran) with a religious person as "Sheck" to understand those violent passages.
My friend said: [the moslems = (muslims) have the right to protect themselves.] However, those commandments in those passages are the word of allah, not the moslems = (muslims). The violent commandments aren't to protect people or lands; it is to kill people that DON'T believe in allah and his prophet, and to kill sinners.
Then, I prayed to my God instead questioning my moslem = (muslim) friends about permitting moslems = (muslims) to fight sinners and why He isn't capable to judge sinners instead. I believe God the Creator doesn’t need help from the creatures that He created. I did copy these passages and placed them in this page to get help from whosoever has an answer for these peaceful passages, as my friends claimed.
Do these passages indicate the peaceful word of allah? Please read.
The moslems = (muslims) claim that the religion of Islam is the most peaceful religion. Therefore, I don't believe allah would command his people to kill, crucify, cut hands, and feet of those that are against him and his prophet. The God that Jesus spoke of is Love and Peaceful also. If Islam is peaceful and the God that Jesus spoke of is peaceful also, why there are violent commandments in the koran = (quran) and in the Torah. However, Jesus' gospel doesn't contain any violent. Did Jesus spoke about different law of different torah, and did allah spoke different commandments?
Are the Jews, Christians, and the moslems = (muslims) worshipping the same God? Is allah the same God of the Christians and the Jews?
If allah is the same God that Jesus spoke of, why allah commands his people to kill the Jews and the Christians, and non-moslems = (muslims), and to act violently? If God of the Torah is the same God that Jesus spoke of why the violent commandments exist in the Torah and not in Jesus' gospel? Did Jesus spoke about different Torah and different God?The koran = (quran)'s passage reads: The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, (koran = (quran) of Islam (sourat almaeda 5:33).
[Note: Al – mushrekeen are the Christians]. Even those commandments are considered violent, at least, the moslems = (muslims) obey their doctrines; other religions don't. The difference between both religions is that the (koran = (quran) allows the people to embrace the religion of Islam "allah". However, the Jews are depraving the people to embrace Judaism and to learn the Torah. The Jews believe that their God Yahweh and their Torah are for them only. Some christian churches as the protestant churches in Northern Island kill and reject other christian denominations; they believe that they are the only true christians. The Catholic Church welcomes all religions of all backgrounds. Concerning obedient, none of the Jews, protestant, and catholic obey God's Law the Torah. God wants obedience not violence. The seventh Day Adventist Church obeys God’s Ten Commandments and part of the ceremonial law.
I obey the authentic peaceful Torah and I believe in Jesus Christ. I love all the people from all backgrounds including Jews, moslems = (muslims), and Christians. However, I dislike sin and violence.
Yes, it is true, the koran = (quran) commands the moslems = (muslims) to fight the unbelievers worldwide that don't believe in allah and his prophet mohamed, reference Quran of Islam (sourat altawba 9:29), and in Quran (sourat altawba 9:5) commands to kill the unbelievers. According to this commandment, the moslems = (muslims) are obeying allah's commandment fully. Even this commandment contains violence; the moslems = (muslims) are more obedient to their god (allah) than the Jews and the Christians. I am NOT encouraging violence, I am debating obedience.
However, does this kind of obedience consider faithful, yes, but to their book, not according to peaceful humanity. I would feel safer with peaceful people that worship idols, than with those that are faithful to their book and their god that commands to kill people. At least those that worship idols don't kill people.
The koran = (quran) permits all mankind to embrace islam and to worship allah. The Jews deprave the non-Jews to obey the Torah and to worship God Yahweh. The Christians are disgracing God by disobeying His Law in "the original Torah" through the false apostle Paul. Did God announce those violent commandments in the Torah? God has nothing to do with these violent commandments, God is love, He commands us to love, and prohibits us to kill.
The Jews believe God is God of the Jews and God of Israel only. The Christians love God and obey Paul's theology instead God Yahweh. God Yahweh is God of all mankind; not the God of the Jews and the muslims only.
For more information about the violent passages that are in the Torah, refer to page "Ishmael and Isaac".
The koran = (quran) commands the moslems = (muslims) to fight sinners and those that don't believe in allah. koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors, (sourat albakara 2:193).]koran = (quran) of Islam reads: [Fighting is enjoined = (requested) on you,
and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and allah knows, while you do not know, (sourat albakara 2:216).]
koran = (quran) of Islam reads, allah says:
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve,
then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those
who are slain in the way of allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.[47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
[47.6]
And cause them to enter the garden
= [paradise = Janah of allah]
which He has made known to them.
(sourat mohamed 47:4 to 6)]
koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and allah will inform them of what they did, (sourat almaeda 5:14).]koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[The punishment of those who wage war against allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, (sourat almaeda 5:33)]koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[O followers of the Book = (Torah bible old and new testaments)! [you are nothing] you follow no good to keep up the Taurat = (Torah) and the A-njel = (Gospel) = (new testaments) and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the blaspheme people, (sourat almaeda 5:68 to 75),koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn (them) from allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in allah's way, announce to them a painful chastisement,koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[And whoever does not believe in allah and his apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers, (sourat alfatih 48:13),koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists = (Moushrekeen) = (Christians) = (Trinitarians) shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men, (sourat albaynet 98:6).]koran = (quran) of Islam reads:
[And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He = (allah) then chastise you for your faults? (sourat almaada 5:18).]I am not affirming Islam is better religion than Christianity. I am debating obedience, and the violence of religions in this text.
Debating the violent commandments is another subject; God judges sinners, not you.
The Torah also commands the Hebrews to kill the Canaanites to overcome their lands, and those that try to deceive them to worship strange gods. But the Torah doesn't commands the Jews to force people to embrace Judaism. HOWEVER, the Quran commands muslims to force people to convert to Islam or death.
References from the Quran of Islam (sourat altawba 9:5) and (sourat altawba 9:29)
References from the Torah of Judaism Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11
The Torah commands the people to kill in the name of God also, Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 17:5 to 7, Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11, Deuteronomy 21:20 to 23, Deuteronomy 22:20 to 24, Numbers 14:8 to 10, Numbers 15:32 to 36, Numbers 35:16 to 17.
The Torah passage reads: [6 If thy brother the son of thy mother, or thy son, or daughter, or thy wife that is in thy bosom, or thy friend, whom thou love as thy own soul, would persuade thee secretly, saying: Let us go, and serve strange gods, which thou knowest not, nor thy fathers, 7 Of all the nations round about, that are near or afar off, from one end of the earth to the other, 8 Consent not to him, hear him not, neither let thy eye spare him to pity and conceal him, 9 But thou shalt presently put him to death. It Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people. 10 With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage: 11 That all Israel hearing may fear, and may do no more any thing like this, Deuteronomy 13:6 to 11. ]Are we worshipping a peaceful God? How do we know we are worshipping the right God, the Creator?
If our religion commands us to kill those that are in other religions; and the other religions command their followers to kill people from our religion, WHO IS SERVING THE RIGHT GOD IN THOSE RELIGIONS? No one, I don't believe God commands the people to kill each other. Religions don't exist in God's Kingdom. Our relation is with the peaceful God, not with religion. Any religion or religious person, or any prophet issues violent commandments to kill people in the name of God; the religion, the religious person, and the prophet are false.
God Yahweh is for all mankind, not for the Jews, the moslems = (muslims), and the Christians. I was rejected in America and in Canada by the Jews to learn the Torah and even to enter into the synagogue to worship God, [because I am not Jewish]. I had visited many protestant churches; [including pentecostal churches] I was getting lessons by pastors to abolish God's Law and to hate other Christians that aren’t protestants. They gave me two choices, get baptism by their pastors, or leave the church. The Mormon church prohibited me to take the Lord’s Supper because I am Catholic. They believe that the Catholic Church isn’t a Christian Church and isn’t entitled to baptize people. This kind of teaching is evil. I am not declaring that the moslems = (muslims) are better Judaism and Christianity, no one is perfect; God is. OBEY GOD'S PEACEFUL LAW and stay away from violence. God is in control, not YOU.
For more information about God's commandments concerning the strangers and the chosen, refer to page "Strangers and the Chosen people" and "Chosen people".
We can't blame the moslems = (muslims) for "jihad" killing the unbelievers and their enemies in this world. They are obeying their god = (allah) word; it is written in their doctrines, refer to page "Islamic and bible verses". Moses and Joshua = (Josue) killed millions of people to overcome the lands of Canaan = (Chanaan) to establish the Promised Land Israel. Moses and Joshua = (Josue) didn't force or kill for religion and for faithfulness' sake.
According to some violent commandments that are in the Torah
, Moses and Joshua = (Josue) killed those that tried to deceive the chosen people through strange gods. It is written in the Torah verse number, (Deuteronomy 13:9 to10). God is capable to destroy the flesh and the spirit; He doesn't need human to kill for Him. God commands us to obey His Law to have safe world, not to kill each other.[Note: Why there are peaceful and violent commandments in the Torah? For more information, refer to page "Ishmael and Isaac".]
God doesn't force anyone to obey Him; He permits the people to choose between good and evil. The Jews deprave the strangers to learn the Torah and embrace Judaism. However, God permits the strangers to obey His Law "the Torah", to repent, and to offer sacrifices, (Leviticus 24:22) (Isaiah 45:22), It means the Jews don't obey God's Word. However, the religion of Islam is struggling to convert sinners and unbelievers to obey their god's = (allah) law of the koran = (quran). However, both religions don't agree that their God is the same God. I believe God is one. There is no other gods but God Yahweh. Christianity achieved to abolish God' Law, and the protestant are killing the catholic for personnel objectives. [Note: Isaiah = (Isaias) = (Yesha'yahu)]
Many of God's prophets in the bible sinned and killed. Therefore, we can't blame one group or one religion only; we don't know who is right and who is wrong. No one is perfect. There is no difference between killing for the land and killing to cleanse the world from the unbelievers. Both acts are not peaceful. We can't act as God; God is the judge and He is in control, not religion.
If God prohibits us to kill, why He commands us to kill people in His name?
allah's word in the koran = (quran) of Isalm: don't kill the soul,
(sourat
alinaam 6:151).
Don't kill your people,
(sourat alnisa 4:29).
And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.
(sourat alnisaa
4:93).
And do not kill any one whom allah has forbidden,
(sourat alisra 17.33).
God's Word in the Torah: YOU SHALL NOT KILL, Exodus 20:13.
God Word in the Torah YOU SHALL HAVE ONE MANNER OF LAW AS WELL FOR THE STRANGER AS FOR ONE OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY, FOR I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, Leviticus 24:22.
God Word in the Torah: If a stranger DWELLS in your land shall BE AS ONE BORN AMONG YOU and you shall LOVE HIM as yourself because you were a stranger in Egypt, Leviticus 19:34.
God Word: Be converted to me, and you shall be saved, all ye ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:22,
For more information, refer to page "Chosen People" or "Strangers / Chosen people".
To read about God's prophets' errors, refer to page "Prophets and apostles sinned against God", and page "Crimes in the name of God".
Jesus did obey the right Torah, why don't you? Christianity isn't a religion, the Christians must return to their roots, obey the right Torah. Pauline church = (Paul's church), isn't Jesus Christ's Church.
For more information, refer to page "Ishmael and Isaac", page "God", page "Torah", page "Torah Mitzvot", page "Torah and Jesus; gospel", page "Crimes in the name of God", for Paul's church, refer to page "False apostles".